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First, I don't know what to do for now regarding GRD's edits on YMMV.Wuthering Waves, as seen in this edit history.

For context, there is indeed a Fandom Rivalry going on between fans of Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact because the former is labeled as a "Genshin Clone" and had an unfortunate messy launch.

These are the Memetic Mutation entries GRD has added:

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There's a dilemma here. On one hand, most of these memes have already spread enough that simple Google Searching will prove that they exist, but on the other hand, their current explanations only come off as bashing Wuthering Waves more in order to praise Genshin Impact. I think we can keep at least some of them but either trim down the bashing or rewrite them to be more neutral, especially because some memes (like "Genshin Symbiosis") are shared between the two fandoms despite the rivalry because they find it hilarious enough.

The other edit that GRD made in YMMV.Wuthering Waves is adding and crosswicking a Fandom Rivalry entry with Tower of Fantasy, which is mostly okay (because it's true that there's also a rivalry between the two games), but again, it also mentions Genshin at the end.

At first, I would've just wanted to fix the formatting or grammar, but the way GRD currently wrote them came off as very negative. I would've also either PM'd GRD or took the examples to the Memes cleanup thread first, but looking at the ATT, several posts were already about GRD, such as making other questionable MemeticMutation additions, Memes about Content Leaks, or duplicating the Memes of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.

Second, memes that revolve around Fandom Rivalry aren't exclusive to a specific troper like GRD or games like Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact. If you look at Memes.Honkai Star Rail, for example, the "Genshin could never" meme talks about a Fandom Rivalry between Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail because the latter received many QoL features that fans of the former have been wishing. However, the meme's explanation itself also says both fandoms have grown sick of the joke.

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Genshin could never ^Explanation

Looking at the edit history, it was added by Atmos Blitzer and edited by Skye Ride 001.

I don't know if adding that is okay even if it doesn't sound like bashing the game, as the header or note in Memes.Honkai Star Rail says "Fandom drama on any social media platform, as it's considered drama importation." isn't allowed...

Also, just like what I said in the Wuthering Waves part above, the "Genshin Could Never" meme is indeed being used and a simple search on the Internet proves it.

Third, Memes.Genshin Impact already had several Memes about Fandom Rivalry too, which again, mention Honkai: Star Rail and Wuthering Waves.

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Like the Star Rail memes page, Memes.Genshin Impact also has a note saying that it disallows Fandom Drama.

At this rate, I'm also inclined to know what the editors of the Memes.Genshin Impact and Memes.Honkai Star Rail pages count as "Fandom Drama". I mean, why bother putting a notice like that on a Memes subpage only to later add and crosswick Memes about Fandom Rivalry?

Edited by DanteVin

fwiw — as someone who falls in and out of genshin — we do have precedent for similar Fandom Rivalry memes in Overwatch which notes the rivalry and jokes about rival games Battleborn (which actually did die due to Overwatch hype) and Paladins (which has had even official game rags note its similarity to Overwatch when it launched)

as for the memes itself:

• 1 is bash-y — not sure how we feel about negative memes — but it doesn't bring up Genshin
• 2 is a sarcastic ironic take on Fandom Rivalry; it's similar to people pretending to be infamous Gearbox head Randy Pitchford to fake-shill Battleborn around Overwatch fans
• 3 isnt bashy at all, it's a weird glitch that makes it run with its rival game
• 4 is bash-y and i think that can def be removed

Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad

Don't have time to engage with the whole question but negative memes are fine, they're still memes

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Alright, thanks for clarifying that Fandom Rivalry memes are allowed at least and we already had precedence... but do I still have to take them to the Memes cleanup thread or the Removing complaining thread?

I still believe that some of the Wuthering Waves Fandom Rivalry memes can be kept or salvaged (In fact, I think I can make the "Genshin Symbiosis" an example of a more specific YMMV), but then there's at least one or two "bashy" memes like what DiscoDancer said above...

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