Depressed 0wl
The Destroyer
- Oct 5, 2023
- #1
Both of these accesorys are useful for different classes, and having them locked behind world evil, or constructing a artificial evil biome is bad game design.
Big Sammich
Duke Fishron
- Oct 5, 2023
- #2
I don't agree. Plenty of other items are mostly beneficial for one class, and are locked behind world evil. You can't currently shimmer items from one evil into ones from the other, and I don't think you should be able to. That would allow you to get items you haven't worked for.
Depressed 0wl
The Destroyer
- Oct 5, 2023
- #3
Big Sammich said:
I don't agree. Plenty of other items are mostly beneficial for one class, and are locked behind world evil. You can't currently shimmer items from one evil into ones from the other, and I don't think you should be able to.
I know, but these are used to craft a ton of class specific items and armor. It's generally just a pain to get one of these if you have a opposite evil.
Big Sammich said:
That would allow you to get items you haven't worked for.
You are working for them, as you have to obtain the Item in the first place to shimmer it. Building a opposite world evil biome and grinding for it, isn't hard, but Its annoying.
Big Sammich
Duke Fishron
- Oct 5, 2023
- #4
I'm sorry, but I still don't agree. If you want items from the Crimson, you need to actually have a Crimson biome, because those items are quite strong. I support shimmering plenty of things, but shortcuts between evil biome items are not among them.
Russ Guss Doodles
The Axe
- Oct 6, 2023
- #5
Big Sammich said:
I don't agree. Plenty of other items are mostly beneficial for one class, and are locked behind world evil. You can't currently shimmer items from one evil into ones from the other, and I don't think you should be able to. That would allow you to get items you haven't worked for.
I agree that the majority of Corruption and Crimson items should not be exchangeable. Doing so would invalidate the whole choice between the two evil biomes. However, as Owl said, the accessories that Putrid Scent and Flesh Knuckles are combined into are for entirely different classes. It’s not fair to punish and inconvenience Magic/Ranged in a Crimson World, or Melee/Summoner in a Corruption World.
Also, you said that...
Big Sammich said:
Plenty of other items are mostly beneficial for one class, and are locked behind world evil.
I don't know how you could come to this conclusion. Almost every single Corruption item has a different but equally powerful Crimson weapon. The only weapon exceptions to this are the Toxic Carp and Blade Tongue along with the Rotted Fork which does have a Corruption counterpart. The only accessory exceptions are the Band of Star Power and Panic Necklace, which are also used for different classes/builds but can be converted between each other.
If the Pre-Hardmode evil biome accessories can be converted between each other why can't the Hardmode evil biome accessories? And if it's an issue with the player "putting in the work" the conversion could be done through crafting instead of Shimmer. Just to throw out a recipe, Putrid Scent could be crafted with Flesh Knuckles and 20 Souls of Night, and vice versa for crafting Flesh Knuckles.
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Heath04🌳
Pumpking
- Oct 6, 2023
- #6
I agree that it should be made easier, but this feels a bit cheap. I want to point out this post made by Baconfry that I feel perfectly displays how it should work
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Big Sammich
Duke Fishron
- Oct 6, 2023
- #7
Russ Guss Doodles said:
I agree that the majority of Corruption and Crimson items should not be exchangeable. Doing so would invalidate the whole choice between the two evil biomes. However, as Owl said, the accessories that Putrid Scent and Flesh Knuckles are combined into are for entirely different classes. It’s not fair to punish and inconvenience Magic/Ranged in a Crimson World, or Melee/Summoner in a Corruption World.
You know what, that's fair. I don't know if I'd say that either class is "punished," but it could be called an inconvenience. In the face of this logic, I concede.
Depressed 0wl
The Destroyer
- Oct 6, 2023
- #8
Heath04🌳 said:
I agree that it should be made easier, but this feels a bit cheap. I want to point out this post made by Baconfry that I feel perfectly displays how it should work
It already requires you to get that evil biome for it to work, and only really cuts back some time.
Heath04🌳
Pumpking
- Oct 6, 2023
- #9
Depressed 0wl said:
It already requires you to get that evil biome for it to work, and only really cuts back some time.
No it doesn't, while yes you do have to get corrupt seeds you don't have to make a biome. If you get 16 ebonstone you can make a lesion chest at a decay chamber. If you did not know you can craft a decay chamber with a flesh cloning vat and 10 souls of night at a workbench in ecto mist. So you don't necessarily have to make a biome. This also doesn't cut back "some" time it saves you the time of having to fully create a biome in the cavern as well as an arena then wait around for a corruption mimic to spawn. This saves a ton of time and doesn't feel cheap.
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