What's with the recent hate for open world games? (2024)

>Terraria is about skill
No it isn't, it's about setting up and basically letting the game play itself.
Hell the first reply to your thread even said that

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>Crazy how people get filtered by Duke Fishron and Skeletron.
Seems like you can't handle criticism

In Terraria you can beat Moon Lord by sitting in a bucket of honey and lava with a campfire and heart lantern to. Tears of the kingdom you beat ganon by fighting him in a sword duel.

Skill issue

>Terraria is about skill
No it isn't, and it's funny that you mentioned that thread as a counter argument when just a cursory glance at it shows everyone complaining about how Terraria is a grindfest that incentivises minmaxing just to get through bosses, and if you modded the game to take out the minmaxing then you're just left with a rather boring boss rush instead because fundamentally that's all it amounts to.

>Terraria isn't about skill!
>yes I had to spend 50 hours grinding for items, building an arena, and reading about meta strategies on various wikis, B-BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT!

Meanwhile, when facing Ganon you... whack him with your sword a few times. lol.

>In Terraria you can beat Moon Lord by sitting in a bucket of honey and lava with a campfire and heart lantern to.
Right up until the phantasmal deathray one shots you. lol

>final boss 10 years ago
Funny, because the Moon lord wasn't released until the 2015 update. You didn't play the game.

>what do you mean I can't build an arena and read a wiki to take the skill out of a Ganon fight, you mean I have to actually.... fight him? Gulp, scary! Too hard for me, I'll go back to my wiki game!

>fight a static object that doesn't move
Sure thing pal. Ganon really earning his keep there.

>ACgay has been pushed into a corner so badly that he's now literally arguing that 50 hours grinding for items, building sh*t in his procgen world and reading wikis counts as "skill"
Your constant Zelda meltdowns have absolutely fried your brain at this point. This is amazing, please keep going.

If you're so skilled, then go fight Moon Lord without any powerups or upgrades. Go on.

>Why isn't that true for every shrine? Stop limiting me. Why is this game such linear cinematic sh*t?
Because each shrine is different in concept? Why do you want to bypass every shrine, do you suck that much at video games? Pray tell how you bypass a shrine that starts you off with no equipment and you have to beat all the enemies that two-shot you?
It’s so amusing to see you struggle with a concept as simple as this.

>Why do you want to bypass every shrine,
Because the game said I could? Because fans said I could? You said freedom was good, why not let me skip it all?

>Pray tell how you bypass a shrine that starts you off with no equipment and you have to beat all the enemies that two-shot you?
sounds like moviesh*t to me.

Moon Lord requires tons of planning, while Calamity Ganon just sits there and smiles. Doing things is too videogamey. Wouldn't want to ruin the "epic spectacle victory lap" or whatever.

>>yes I had to spend 50 hours grinding for items, building an arena, and reading about meta strategies on various wikis, B-BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
Because it's not a skill, it's basically just reading instructions.

But you're relying on strategies made by people who've played the game for hundreds of hours, and it requires you to spend hours setting up arenas and speccing items for specific purposes. Not my fault you can't fight the moon lord as is.

>Ganon
>static object
Lmao
>Because the game said I could?
Where? The game never says this, there is an intended solution to every shrine but you are encouraged to think outside the box.
>BUT THE FANS SAID
not an argument.

>there is an intended solution to every shrine but you are encouraged to think outside the box.
Then why can't I build rocket shields inside the shrine? Why can't I build vehicles anywhere I want?

>Kek I bet you think a bucket of Legos is a skilled videogame too with that reasoning, you just want to build your way out of every problem instead of learning a damn boss attack pattern
He says, while getting filtered by Skeletron.

"Planning" by your own definition is, and I quote, spending "50 hours grinding for items, building an arena, and reading about meta strategies on various wikis". So you concede that Terraria is not about skill, cool!

>"Planning" by your own definition is, and I quote,
That's your definition of planning. I YOLO bosses with whatever I have. Arenas aren't necessary. Sorry you need them though.

Why can't I skip the wall of flesh? 😉

>Dumb story based limitation
versus
>gameplay limitation

>spoonfeed me!
No, I don't think I will.

>sounds like moviesh*t to me.
>shrine removes your equipment and you have to complete it while extremely vulnerable and with only your wits and an extremely limited amount of weapons, arrows and no healing items
>this is moviesh*t because you don’t spend 50 hours mining rocks and punching trees

This is your argument against old Zelda games though.

>wtf why does this dungeon require the hookshot?! OUTDATED ZELDA DESIGN!

You argued against item gating. Now lie in your bed.

>I never said that
You're lying again. Every thread you complain about how item gating is bad. You don't get to defend it now.

But planning is diametrically opposed to thinking on the fly. You spent several posts saying that Moon Lord required minmaxing/wiki'ing in advance and now you're suddenly arguing the exact opposite, likely because you were ridiculed for aguing the former was a good thing and now you're desperately trying to save face.

>But planning is diametrically opposed to thinking on the fly. You spent several posts saying that Moon Lord required minmaxing/wiki'ing in advance
That's an issue, not an issme. The fact that I can beat Skeletron is something 99% of people ITT can't even claim, so skill is a little beyond people here.

>Ganon in BOTW, Ganondorf in TOTK. Both the same cinematic spectacle boss where they barely move and you press a wacky cinematic QTE to instakill them. It's like I'm playing Uncharted.
Why do you lie about something that is so easy to very? Strange cope but ok.

see

Thank you """open world""" games.

Just like how you said I was a liar when I complained about the unskippable intro cutscene in TOTK, and then refused to prove a way to skip it?

>You're lying again. Every thread you complain about how item gating is bad. You don't get to defend it now.
Proof? I love all Zelda games, even Skyward Sword.
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That’s not the entire bossfight, it’s a cherrypicked webm you didn’t create.

>Proof? I love all Zelda games, even Skyward Sword.
Another lie. You've called people trannies for suggesting that Zelda return to some of the older conventions in LTTP and OOT, like traditional dungeons and item gating. How can you like those games and then call people trannies for liking them?

Cool whataboutism, bro. I accept your concession.

You're the one who called me a liar, when I said an objective fact. So now prove me wrong. Show me a way to skip the cutscene.

Why are you accusing me of this weird sh*t? I love the 2D games, the old 3D games, I love BotW and TotK.

You've never played TOTK, otherwise you would've never claimed that the cutscene was skippable.

I'll be waiting on your proof, by the way.

I accept your troonycession that you lost and got raped.

More skippable than the Cutscene that is everything before Troon lord.

Sorry bud, moving the goalpost won't help you squirm your way out of this one.

>Great games are allowed to have that.
But you said it didn't have that to begin with. If you didn't, then apologize and admit that you were wrong.

>one minute

TOTK fans confirmed for being liars.

>But you said it didn't have that to begin with.
All I did was demonstrate that you contradicted yourself about Moon Lord, you just moved the goalpost in a panic.

You misquoted. Sorry bro. You said the moon lord could be trivialized, and to prove it you brought up a bunch of BS from speedrunners and wikis, but you never understood the preparation behind it. Meanwhile Moon Lord can be beaten without an arena, as long as you know how to fight well. This includes mastering air combat.

Hopefully that clears things up.

>But you said it didn't have that to begin with. If you didn't, then apologize and admit that you were wrong.
I didn’t say it so I’m not apologizing for it. I like the game prologue, it was cool and not overly long like other Zelda games (which are still great btw). Plus, I am an authority on Zelda games and I proclaim that a game as great as TotK is allowed to have it.
I apologize for nothing.

>I like the game prologue
Then you like movie games. How can you be an authority on anything?

What I said was the truth. continue to seethe.

>title of the video is opening cutscene and intro
Nice self-own.

Anon, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore any part where there's button prompts, like the stupid snoy walk-and-talk hallway. or the dumb tutorial segments after, which are again just scenes of exposition followed by a hallway. The cutscene itself starts at 10:45 and goes well past the 14 minute mark. Is that a "1 minute cutscene" to you, liar?

Nope, your history revisionism doesn't change

But planning is diametrically opposed to thinking on the fly. You spent several posts saying that Moon Lord required minmaxing/wiki'ing in advance and now you're suddenly arguing the exact opposite, likely because you were ridiculed for aguing the former was a good thing and now you're desperately trying to save face.

Cope, ACgay. You lost.

Nope, your history revisionism doesn't change [...]
Cope, ACgay. You lost.

Irrelevant, it’s shocking to nobody that zelda games have prologues, the game is excellent so the intro doesn’t matter.

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Looking up sh*t and grinding isn't skill, ACsnoytroony

>Sorry but the prologue only lasts a few minutes

Why are you obsessed with a 1 minute cutscene in the prologue of a 200 hour game?

>one minute cutscene

I shouldn't need to tell you this, but a one minute cutscene is not the same as a "few minutes". Once again demonstrating that you're arguing in bad faith.

Why did you say it was one minute long? I expect an apology for your little lie.

See:

Nope, your history revisionism doesn't change [...]
Cope, ACgay. You lost.

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>Sorry but the prologue only lasts a few minutes
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>one minute cutscene

I shouldn't need to tell you this, but a one minute cutscene is not the same as a "few minutes". Once again demonstrating that you're arguing in bad faith.

Why did you say it was one minute long? I expect an apology for your little lie.

Enjoy paying $70 to “make your own fun.”

>No argument
I accept your troonycession.
You lost and got raped.

>even mocked the idea of beating Moon Lord from the start,
As it turns out, a boss should not only be a skill check, but a DPS check and a stat check. If you don't like it, too bad. Go back to playing Uncharted.

Why would I want to skip the prologue of a great game? It’s only a few minutes and the game offers an excellent experience of pure gameplay and exploration.
>prologue sets up the events of the game
>shows that Ganondorf even as a piece of beef jerky makes Calamity Ganon (a force of pure evil that nearly wiped out all life in an apocalyptic event) look like a walk in the park
>Even the sword created to defeat evil shatters in contact with him
>post-BotW full power Link is a joke against him
>turns out the extinction event of 100 years prior are just this mummy’s hate farts
>it all comes together in the end
>ending is a contrast to the intro
>it’s absolutely kino

ACgay actually thinks that dropping Link in a sh*tty Zelda-branded Minecraft clone with no “Legend” to set up the goal and the adventure would be a better design choice.

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>prologue sets up the events of the game
This is a video game, not a movie. I do not care about the events of the game.

>shows Ganondorf
Since he's a complete pushover, this means nothing.

>even the sword created to defeat evil shatters
And then it's promptly brought back thanks to convenient plot magic. The player never earns it, it just magically comes back because Zelda turned herself into a pickle or something.

>post BOTW full power Link is a joke
Then why does he go down like a b***h in his final form? Why is even his "best form" a cakewalk compared to a pre-HM Terraria boss?

>ending is a contrast to the intro
If I could kill Zelda for being a worthless annoying b***h, then yeah it would be kino. But I hate all cinematic bullsh*t, so it ended up disappointing.

>You’re arguing in bad faith, you keep the definition of cutscene as vague as possible so you can reform your argument
Wrong. I am using the most commonly accepted definition of a cutscene, one that I'm sure even you would agree on.

>a segment where there are ZERO button presses whatsoever, and the game is entirely on autopilot
I already told you that, for the sake of this discussion, I would give you some leniency and not consider the intro walk and talk segment a cutscene. I wouldn't even consider everything afterward to be a cutscene. For all intents and purposes, I am focusing solely on the 4 minute segment of ZERO button presses. You HAVE to agree with this defintion. I'm not giving an option otherwise.

On the fly planning, which means being able to make things up as you go. If you got confused, then don't worry. It's just an emulator bug. I wouldn't worry too much. 😉

Nope, ACsnoytroony.
I accept your troonycession that you lost and got raped

Why would I want to skip the prologue of a great game? It’s only a few minutes and the game offers an excellent experience of pure gameplay and exploration.
>prologue sets up the events of the game
>shows that Ganondorf even as a piece of beef jerky makes Calamity Ganon (a force of pure evil that nearly wiped out all life in an apocalyptic event) look like a walk in the park
>Even the sword created to defeat evil shatters in contact with him
>post-BotW full power Link is a joke against him
>turns out the extinction event of 100 years prior are just this mummy’s hate farts
>it all comes together in the end
>ending is a contrast to the intro
>it’s absolutely kino

ACgay actually thinks that dropping Link in a sh*tty Zelda-branded Minecraft clone with no “Legend” to set up the goal and the adventure would be a better design choice.

>False, I only state facts

Why are you obsessed with a 1 minute cutscene in the prologue of a 200 hour game?

>1 minute cutscene

A cutscene is a segment where the game is basically on autopilot, and your character (along with other characters) is moving of their own accord, and there aren't any button presses required on the part of the player.

Or if I'm going to be more accurate, let's use Mirriam-Webster's definition of a cutscene.

>"a noninteractive video sequence that occurs between segments of a video game and depicts part of the game's background or storyline"

Does that clear it up for you, sweetie?

My definition of a cutscene is a little more broad. Basically, if it exists for a purpose other than offering a good challenge, and it cares more about wacky cinematic spectacle, then I can easily discard it as a cutscene. Like a QTE in Metroid Dread or a special attack in Xenoblade Chronicles.

>This is a video game, not a movie. I do not care about the events of the game.
Sounds like a you problem, I love Zelda games and I care so it matters. My taste > your taste.
>Since he's a complete pushover, this means nothing.
Completely and utterly false.
>And then it's promptly brought back thanks to convenient plot magic. The player never earns it, it just magically comes back because Zelda turned herself into a pickle or something.
False, you didn’t play the game.
>Then why does he go down like a b***h in his final form? Why is even his "best form" a cakewalk compared to a pre-HM Terraria boss?
Show us how you easily beat Ganondorf, oh wait you didn’t play the game.
>If I could kill Zelda for being a worthless annoying b***h, then yeah it would be kino. But I hate all cinematic bullsh*t, so it ended up disappointing.
Incel drivel, nobody cares what you think, your opinion is worthless. You didn’t play the game, you didn’t even buy it, why would the devs cater to an incel hom*osexual like you?

>Sounds like a you problem,
Nah, it's objective fact that video games are not about storytelling.

>Completely and utterly false.
I showed proof of him being a pushover. Where's your proof?

>Incel drivel, nobody cares what you think,
Incel? Bro, imagine using terminology that originated from Facebook, and unironically trying to use that as an argument. You might as well call me a chud.

>When you trivialize
Didn't you say trivializing Troon lord didn't count?

To even think about trivializing the moon lord, if it's even possible, you need to spend hours reading up on wikis and grinding for items and building an arena. Never did it myself, since I prefer a little more action.

So it is trivially easy, because reading a wiki is the least skillfully thing possible

Funny how you admit troonyraria is a troony wiki game now 😉

>stat check
So not skill, like people were saying from the beginning. Your love for Terraria is so inconsistent because it's an obviously sh*t game, lol.

You play troony wiki games, you have The lowest standards imaginable.

I didn't say it was easy. Just to get to that point, you have to hunt out rare accessories, then reforge every last one of them, and then build your arena down to the tiniest detail. One slight thing off, and you're dead.

>STAT CHECKS AREN'T SKILLFUL!
Sorry, it's not fun when a final boss can be killed by a guy in his underwear. Sometimes a progression of challenge is good. Infact it's always good. Again, go play Uncharted if you want the final boss to just be press x to win cinematic drivel.

That's a total emulator bug you moronic troon. Nobody playing on native Switch hardware experienced this. That's what you get for being a poorgay.

>IT'S A BUG! THE GAME WOULD NEVER BE THIS EASY
lol

What I said was the truth. continue to seethe.

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Anon, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and ignore any part where there's button prompts, like the stupid snoy walk-and-talk hallway. or the dumb tutorial segments after, which are again just scenes of exposition followed by a hallway. The cutscene itself starts at 10:45 and goes well past the 14 minute mark. Is that a "1 minute cutscene" to you, liar?

Looking up sh*t and grinding isn't skill, ACsnoytroony

Why are you accusing me of this weird sh*t? I love the 2D games, the old 3D games, I love BotW and TotK.

>You're lying again. Every thread you complain about how item gating is bad. You don't get to defend it now.
Proof? I love all Zelda games, even Skyward Sword.
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Thank you """open world""" games. #
That’s not the entire bossfight, it’s a cherrypicked webm you didn’t create.

>YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER IF YOU PLAYED THE FRICKING GAME.
For a game that touts freedom, it's an unnecessary restriction. Sorry, it's bad game design. 🙂

>But you're relying on strategies made by people who've played the game for hundreds of hours, and it requires you to spend hours setting up arenas and speccing items for specific purposes
Which again isn't a skill. You can't even call the people who made those "strategies" skilled since they just threw themselves into the enemy until something worked.
If we were talking about a fighting game or rythym game you'd have a point but it isn't.

>Which again isn't a skill. You can't even call the people who made those "strategies" skilled since they just threw themselves into the enemy until something worked.
Sounds like a (You) problem.

>spoonfeed me!
No, I don't think I will.

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This is your argument against old Zelda games though.

>wtf why does this dungeon require the hookshot?! OUTDATED ZELDA DESIGN!

You argued against item gating. Now lie in your bed.

>For a game that touts freedom, it's an unnecessary restriction. Sorry, it's bad game design. 🙂
But enough about troonyraria

>nu-Zelda fans shriek and scream at the idea of a game using item gating
>but now item gating is a good thing!

You guys don't know what you want.

That’s not Ganon and that’s not your webm, you didn’t play the game. You don’t even know the name of the final boss.

Not an argument. Tell me why you so vehemently defend a spectacle boss with no challenge.

I think we have to admit that Zelda is essentially a kids idea of what a grand adventure looks like:

> freedom!
> open air!
> I can fight anything, go anywhere
> no restrictions!
> exploration!

there's a reason they call it a "sandbox". Cuz it isn't the adults playing in it...

Eric, you lost and got raped

>final boss 10 years ago
Funny, because the Moon lord wasn't released until the 2015 update. You didn't play the game.

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>fight a static object that doesn't move
Sure thing pal. Ganon really earning his keep there.

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If you're so skilled, then go fight Moon Lord without any powerups or upgrades. Go on.

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>Why do you want to bypass every shrine,
Because the game said I could? Because fans said I could? You said freedom was good, why not let me skip it all?

>Pray tell how you bypass a shrine that starts you off with no equipment and you have to beat all the enemies that two-shot you?
sounds like moviesh*t to me.

Sounds like troony cope to me, skill issue

>ACgay has been pushed into a corner so badly that he's now literally arguing that 50 hours grinding for items, building sh*t in his procgen world and reading wikis counts as "skill"
Your constant Zelda meltdowns have absolutely fried your brain at this point. This is amazing, please keep going.

ACgay is now in his EIGHTH YEAR of Zelda seething.

Literally wasted almost a decade of his crying on Ganker. The ultimate Humiliation Ritual

>Literally wasted almost a decade of his crying on Ganker
Oh he's been here way longer than that, remember, prior to Botw his thing was plaguing Metroid threads claiming everyone loved Other M and that Metroid now is bad because it's too sexualised.

I genuinely don't understand him. Whether he actually hates Nintendo or if he thinks he's making people mad this requires an insane level of commitment.

>Literally wasted almost a decade of his crying on Ganker
Oh he's been here way longer than that, remember, prior to Botw his thing was plaguing Metroid threads claiming everyone loved Other M and that Metroid now is bad because it's too sexualised.

I genuinely don't understand him. Whether he actually hates Nintendo or if he thinks he's making people mad this requires an insane level of commitment.

Maybe you guys should stop ruining Metroid discussion with coombait. Just saying.

>b-but I wanna jerk off to Samus!
Then go to the p*rn boards. I want to discuss video games.

Thank you """open world""" games.

uh oh stinky.

>You can, there is a shrine about attaching rockets to objects and to your shield
Why isn't that true for every shrine? Stop limiting me. Why is this game such linear cinematic sh*t?

You aren't skilled enough to play expert mode you gay, you complain Zelda shrines made for children are too hard and you need God modes to solve them. Akso LMAO'ing at you only picking the middle difficulty expert and not the ACTUAL hard mode Master

>not the ACTUAL hard mode Master
LOL get with the times grandpa. Legendary on Zenith Seed is the new true difficulty.